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Battle Boy from the Parts Unknown Studios
Into the Battle Crowd, Battle Crown,
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the Battle Found, Battle the Battle
Crowd. Welcome to the Battleground Podcast,
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your place for all things pro wrestling. Little Found, the Battle Found,
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the Battle Round now making their way
to the microphone and set up for your
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hosts to the Battle Crowd. Yeah, what's up you guys. Welcome back
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into the Battleground Podcast. I Heart
Radio's official wrestling podcast. I got my
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tag team partner Eli on the show
with us, and as you see,
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the man of the Hour, Wheeler, you to joins us on the show.
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And I do need to apologize to
you real quick, Wheeler, because
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the last time you were on our
show, you were, you know,
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going on to win the gold and
you I think you actually had the your
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title the last time you're here.
Maybe no, did you have the title
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last time? I think I think
he had just beat Garcia for it.
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I think so. So I think
it was when you became the two time
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yes. So I want to apologize
because you know, when you come on
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the show and you have gold,
you also have that in the background of
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you losing the gold if you come
on the show having it. So I
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want to apologize for us jinxing you
on that. But now that you're back
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on you don't have gold, you're
gonna go on to win gold. We
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just we'll figure out which one it
is right now. I'll take it.
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Yeah, yeah, But you know
you got a big match coming up this
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Wednesday on a EW Dynamite. You're
in Canada. You're going against Kenny Omega.
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Walk us through this real quick,
like what's going through your mind?
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Because I mean, Kenny Omega just
lost the IWGPUS Championship at Forbidden Door,
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so we know he's not going to
be in a good mood and I feel
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bad because I feel it like he's
going to try to take it out on
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you. Well, what's your mindset
heading into this and anticipated clash. I
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mean, I'm also not in the
best of moods after I lost as well
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I Forbidden or maybe I'll take some
of that anger out on him. But
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yeah, I think that going into
this match is a huge match. Obviously
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he had one of the like an
absolute classic match with Will Osprey at the
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pay per view. But he's got
to be hurt, he's got to be
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banged up, Like there's no way
around that. Like if you can watch
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the match. You see all the
all the risks that they took, all
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the impact that he took. So
he's got to be banged up. So
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I think it's that's something I could
use to my advantage. But I know
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that he's going to be super fired
up. He's he's not happy with me.
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He's not happy with losing the US
Championship. He's not happy just in
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general with all the things that have
been going on between the Elite and the
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BCC. And this is I believe
Kenny's first singles match on a dynamite in
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Canada. Uh don't don't quote me
on that if I'm wrong, but I
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believe this is like a very special
moment for him. All Right, So
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he's very much gonna be angry motivated, But I'm just as just as excited
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and just as motivated to prove that
I belong in this spot. Um,
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do you think you're I mean,
are you at your highest level now going
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into this? Like? Is this
one of those like if I got to
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face Kenny Omega, you know,
after your time with BCC, I mean,
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is is this it? I mean, is are you at your top
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form? You think from you know, endurance, you know all the stuff
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in the ring. I mean,
it's are you at peak skill? Peak
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level? I can I can only
continue to grow and continue to get better.
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But I think I'm definitely the best
version of Wheeler Uta that I've ever
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been. So I'm excited to just
sort of be able to take all those
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tools, all the things that I've
learned from the BCC. And I think
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you've seen them obviously in our multiman
matches. You've seen them in the singles
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matches I've had in the past.
But hopefully this is now the fully formed
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Wheeler Uta and I can just start
to really get to that next level.
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And what better way to do it
than to beat Kenny again, this time
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in his home country in a singles
Right, Well, let's go back to
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uh Forbidden Door real quick. Last
weekend Toronto, massive show, massive buzz.
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A lot of people already saying it's
the pay per view of the year
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so far. I mean, what
was what was that atmosphere like the show
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the weekend? I mean, just
kind of give us a glimpse of how
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crazy that was. Yeah, Forbidden
Door this year and last year, we're
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both just absolutely phenomenal weekends. Like
the crowds were incredible. Being able to
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work with New Japan is incredible.
Seeing some of my my friends from New
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Japan, from the super Juniors and
for my time and Strong as well,
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seeing some of my rivals I was
not expecting to see. I forgot that
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El Desperado does the Japanese raw,
so I saw him out. Oh man,
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I owe this guy one. I
still want to wrestle him again.
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I need that rematch. But it
was really cool to be able to,
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you know, see all those people
from Forbidden Door, and yeah, the
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crowd is just insane, Like it's
an atmosphere like no other because it's matches
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that you never thought would happen,
and you never thought that they would happen
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like on that that stage in that
way, like the fact that these people
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are like we had Brian o'cata,
like that is like a dream thing that
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like you Like, there's this guy
on Twitter. Tom's Customs makes graphics that
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are fake graphics, like I could
imagine that being one of them, Like,
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yeah, a big graphic that could
have been made like five years ago
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that we're never gonna see. Every
result happened for real. So just all
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that all that energy, it makes
it something really special. Yeah, and
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then you think about Brian, you
know, wrestling with his broken arm still
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in the match. I was like, what like that is that's adrenaline kicking
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in for that one for sure.
Yeah. Brian told me one time,
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because we always like to joke that
he's invincible, and I think he is.
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And he told me one time that
being invincible doesn't mean that you can't
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get hurt, you can't get injured, that things won't go wrong. It
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just means that all that can happen, and you're gonna do it anyways,
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You're gonna push through it and do
it anyways. And that's what he did.
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Yeah, and that was that was
That was match of a year right
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there. In my books, it
was a contender when you saw that one.
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Um, you know, we talk
about this and we always love to
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watch the entrances when everything happens in
a show. And of course Blackpool Combat
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Club had an amazing entrance that night, a forbidden door. Many people consider
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that match the one that turned the
card from solid to great. Despite the
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loss, how important was that match
for both teams? Yeah, I think
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that that match was very important.
You know, we really wanted to one
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get at each other, but to
also show like this is a really good
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showcase of AW and you know,
it was AW and New Japan of course,
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but it was just we wanted to
really go out and prove that we're
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some of the best wrestlers in the
world. And I think that we went
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out there and we did that.
But it was just so much fun to
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be in that atmosphere with those guys. But yeah, it was a very
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important match, and I think that
it really did set the stage where now
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we want some revenge of blood and
guts, which I think is very important.
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But it was, yeah, absolutely
a blast to be out there with
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those guys. Yeah that I actually
wore this hoodie because y'aw's entrance from especially
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with Kesha with the black leather jacket
and y'all using the different song. I
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mean, it felt like the Legion
of Doom was invading that I was just
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like, oh my god, like
it just looks so mean and just menacing
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and just I mean it may not
have looked like that much on TV,
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but that was one of my favorite
entrances I've ever said. It was just
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I was so ready for it.
Talking about we talked about earlier, you
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and Kenny Omega and this kind of
you know, you've used a lot of
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the tools you've gathered. What do
you think has been the biggest change,
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you know, pre BCC, Willard
Uter and now current. Is it just
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tappened into that aggressive side. Do
you think because that is that have been
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the biggest change. I think the
aggression has been a big thing. But
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I also think like just the mindset. You know, I ran psychology.
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Yeah, yeah, Like I'm focused
on winning the match first. That's my
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main thing, and it doesn't matter
how I do it. If I have
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to get a little dirty, get
a little angry, I can do that.
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But I think before, you know, I was very much focused on,
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you know, being a showman,
kind of caring about what other people
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thought of me. And now I'm
not learned with that anymore. You know,
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people think whatever they want to think
about me. It's fine. I'm
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just gonna go out there and to
do my thing with the best of my
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ability. And you know, the
people that rock with me, cool,
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the people that don't whatever, I
get it. Yeah, it's just been
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focusing on I'm just gonna do my
own thing, and if that means being
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a little dirtier, being a little
more aggressive, being a little angrier,
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then that's fine with me exactly.
And I mean that's the thing is,
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like you sit here and everybody watches
you on TV, and of course the
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IWC always has an opinion for everything. Oh I don't like this or this
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or this as somebody who is you
know, and I'm sure that you see
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the comments and whatnot. There's more
high praises than low praises, Like how
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do you just kind of differentiate of
like not focusing here but focusing here.
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I mean, I've found like the
people that I go to for feedback,
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so the comments that I see,
like I see them, of course,
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but those comments don't really affect me
positively or negatively anymore. I would say.
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I just I like I know who
who to talk to, Like if
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I have a question about something,
instead of going on Twitter, I can
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go backstage and talk to a myriad
of wonderful pro wrestlers who who know a
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lot more about what it is.
But I understand like all the comments and
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all the opinions, like I had
plenty of them when I was a kid,
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Like of course I was a wrestling
fan, right right right, I
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read those It's weird to be like, I don't want to out in this
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website. But there was like a
website that my mom was looking at and
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reading an article about, and she
like mentioned it to me because like,
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you know, that's the same website
that gave our like Gateway computer of virus
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like that about it, and now
you're reading their articles like, so you
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know I'm here to get on those
sites. Yeah, I was brendo it
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and I love to read all that
stuff too, but just for me as
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a performer, now, it's not
really constructive anymore, So right, stay
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away from it. But everyone is
entitled to their opinions, and I welcome
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you to share them because the more
the more you talk about me, the
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better it is for me. So
right, and those and of course those
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people that are sharing the negative opinions
are the same ones that come up to
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these meet and greets and ask for
your photo and autograph. Yeah, they'll
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be like, oh, I loved
your match the other night. But then
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you go on Twitter and it's like
user name with a bunch of numbers and
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it's like oh blah blah blah.
Or the best part is like Wheeler only
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signed fifteen things for me at the
airport. Man he hates the fans.
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It's like, all right, bro, come on, like the it's just
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unbelievable. It is. Well,
so getting back to this rivalry, which
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is kind of, you know,
front and center on all of AWTV right
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now. The next chapter has been
announced July nineteenth, Dynamite the Elite will
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face off against Blackpool Combat Club in
a blood and guts match, which is
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historically insane. This one will be
coming from the Garden and Boston, and
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you know, this type of match
should give you guys an advantage because it's
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all things violent. You know,
what can people expect going into this?
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There's something you're wanting to achieve.
Parsley, Are you wanting to have the
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big spot in the match or you
just wanting to get the victory? I
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mean, like to get some revenge
for the sixers. I might like throw
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some things around the team. There
you go. No, I think my
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goal is you know, just like
I said before, it's just to come
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out with the win. I think
that after having last year's Blood and Guts,
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I really have more of a sense
of the match, so I know
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how to use the tools a little
bit better. Like I've never had a
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cage match before. That, so
now I can know, I know how
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to use the cage. I know
how to use all these different things to
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our advantage. Of course, having
like the whoever the first manage, like
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the man advantage is a big deal. Like last year we were down to
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man, so every time a new
person came in, it would be Jericho
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Appreciation Society first and then BCC.
So it's like a bunch of mini handicap
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matches. So knowing how to you
know, take all those elements and use
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them to our advantage, I think
it's gonna be a big thing. But
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yeah, I would love to,
uh, you know, get another win,
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just like I did the pay per
view, and that would be I
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think my ultimate goal is to h
to win this one for the BCC.
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But as long as we get our
hands raised at the end, again,
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I don't really care how it happens. And you should do a monster heel
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move and come out with a seventy
six ers jersey, that would be That
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would that would be who talk about
some heat one of the theories I probably
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would, but yeah, yeah from
oil right now, so the best move.
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Yeah, speaking of blood and guts, let's have a little bit of
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fun here on this one. Who
is the first person that will show blood
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My money's on Moxley. Oh man, my money. I think we're gonna
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bust open. I'm gonna say Nick
Jackson first, that's Michael. He's got
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a punchable face, so, like
I can, I think he sees this
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and then we'll get all the hate
on the internet. Yeah, well you
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know as well, so I mean, who knows, but well, and
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you know it's been crazy with this
because you know, it's it kind of
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I don't want to, I won't
say that anyways. There's so many layers
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to the store. And I mean
even you know, bringing in Eddie and
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now he's got his thing with Claudio
but obviously you and him are close,
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and then you know mox Len Eddie
now and then all I mean, there's
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just so many layers to this.
And then with the Don Callis and Kenny
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Omega thing. Um, I mean, can you comment on Don Callis's association
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with you guys? I mean,
is he kind of moving with you guys
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as a group? Is it just
because of uh, you know, you
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get what I'm saying. I mean, is I don't know if we have
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a clear answer right now? He
is not officially a member of the BCC
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or anything like that. Of course, he has his association with Takeshta and
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we will appidly happily take his help, you know, a screw driver handed
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to us and things of that nature. But yeah, he's associated, but
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as of right now, definitely not
not an official member or anything like that.
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Yeah, some mission. So here's
something fun that we like to ask,
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and we've started to try, like
do this year recently when we go
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to the AI computers and we asked
them to ask wrestlers one question. Now,
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this is all from chat GPT,
so this is where it gets fun.
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This is what the chat GPT wants
to ask Wheeler Utah, what's been
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the most significant or transformative experience for
you since joining AEW and how has it
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impacted your career as a professional wrestler. Oh? Pretty good. The other
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one was how did you get your
start in wrestling? And I wasn't gonna
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ask. Yeah, that one's a
lot less deep than the one you ask.
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Yeah, I think you know,
there's two two things. I'll give
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the obvious one first, I think
would be the match with John that I
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had actually in Boston. So it'll
be nice to go hopefully spill someone else's
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blood there to send him up.
But yeah, that that match, of
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course, like it gave me confidence, It brought me into the BCC.
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I think that it earned legitimately earned
the respect of John of Regal of Brian.
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So it was a really important match
I think for me to have and
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it gave me. Yeah, it
was. It was awesome. Like some
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of my friends from the Independence were
there, like uh Drew from Beyond Wrestling,
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who I had wrestled for just right
up the road and Booster like every
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Thursday of my life for years,
right he was he had floor awesome.
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So yeah, that was like just
such a special night. And I think
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that that really turned me into the
wheeler uter that I am today. It
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helped me find that fire that eventually, you know, turned into that aggression
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and that willingness to sort of do
whatever I need to do to get it
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done. And I think that that
that really changed me as a wrestler.
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Also, I would say the hype
that I recently took with Brian Angelson.
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Sure you saw the photos. Actually
the morning of Anarchy at the Arena,
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I was up at like four am. Uh went to went met Brian.
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We went on this long, beautiful
hike, and it was it was nice
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to sort of I guess, detached, but then also focused and we got
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to talk about a lot of things
that were uh like it was it was
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really nice to sort of have that
time to go talk and uh just sort
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of take things in as opposed to
just always being go, go go.
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So that was a really special special
time for me and sort of put some
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things into perspective, uh that I
don't want to necessarily bring up for everyone
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to know, but it was,
yeah, that's what's that's between you and
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you yourself, so we're not yeah, yeah, but it was. It
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was really special. And then of
course he made me start doing pushups and
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bridges rock so there's like there he
I don't know if he'll ever share it,
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but there's a video of me just
doing as many lion pushups as I
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could possibly do. Then about halfway
through the hike and then we have to
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finish the hikes. Uh yeah.
It was a whole another level, a
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lot of fun, and I think
it was a very special day for me.
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Note to self, do not take
a hike with Danielson. Thank you,
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thank you. Yeah, unless you're
training for something don't do it.
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Yeah yeah, yeah, Well I'm
not training for anything, so I don't
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have to worry about that at all. Um. Well, um with with
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the big match coming up this this
Wednesday, Um with Kenny Omega, I
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mean what what you know, what
final thoughts do you have for that?
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And then from there, you know
what, where can we keep up with
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you online? What are your socials
you go to and all that? Uh?
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Yeah, I'll start with the socials
because I'm not great at them at
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Wheeler, Utah is my Twitter and
Instagram. Honestly, I would say if
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you want to know about me,
follow the aw social media. They tweet
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a lot more than I do.
Um. I made a joke that I
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used to tweet once a month and
now I'm like twice a month. Um.
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Progress yeah, progress that we're moving
up in the world. And that
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is as far as the match with
Kenny, I think that it's going to
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be something special. It's another opportunity
for me to continue to prove myself as
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a member of the BCC, and
it's an opportunity for me, honestly to
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end the war before we even get
the blood and guts. My goal is
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that in blood and Guts We'll walk
out there and it'll just be a massacre
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or a surrender. It'll be one
or the other because I'll have already decided
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the war by taking out Kenny.
So that's that's my goal for and hopefully
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I get it out in Edmonton,
and that's what's going to happen this Wednesday
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night on Dynamite. Of course you
can watch it here in Nashville time,
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which is seven o'clock but Eastern time
eight o'clock there. And you know,
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last thing before we go, what's
the next thing? You beat Kenny Omega,
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because we put that out in the
universe. You win blood and guts,
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we put that out in the universe. What's next on the horizon?
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Is there is there a title that
you want to go after? I mean,
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Christian Page thinks he is the T
and T Champion even though he didn't
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win it. Is that some thing
you want to go after? Maybe do
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you want to go after the pure
title? I could see you in Claudio
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maybe taking going after FTR. I
think that would it would be some good,
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uh good wrestling drama there. Yeah, these are these are all great
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options that I think I'd like to
do. But I think for me personally
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the next thing. You know,
obviously, I want to end end this
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war with the elite, and we
want to come out on top. But
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I don't really like how Eddie Kingston's
been acting lately. I don't like how
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he's been treating us. I know
he's gonna go to the g one,
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so he's gonna be gone for a
while, so I guess he'll escape us
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for a little bit. But yeah, I don't like that. Like you
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said, we've been friends for a
very long time. Him and John have
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been friends for even longer than that, and it just seems like he's kind
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of throwing all that away because he
doesn't like Claudio and that that's upsetting because
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you know, I thought we were
I thought we were friends, and I
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thought that our friends more than that, that you could, you know,
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mind your own damn business for a
few minutes while we'd go do our thing.
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But I guess, I guess so
Eddie Kingston be someone i'd love to
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go after. And I think that
me and the best friends will never be
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done fighting, So I think that
i'd love, speaking of championships, love
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to go after that international championship one
day. Be sweet. I can see
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that happening, and of course you're
on this show, so you go on
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to win the gold so that you
know how this works. So that's the
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plan for wheel Er. You to
well, buddy, we want to say
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thank you for taking the time out
of your busy schedule to hang out with
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us and talk with us. Looking
forward to seeing your hand getting raised on
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Wednesday night over Kenny Omega in his
home country, because again we're putting it
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out there in the universe, because
that's got to be a big notch for
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you to beat Kenny Omega. Yeah, and they're making me fly to Edmonton
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on the fourth of July. That
is offensive, not right, not right.
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Well, Wheeler, we just want
to say thank you once again for
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taking the time out of your busy
schedule man and talking with us, and
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we look forward to seeing you this
Wednesday night on Dynamite. Absolutely. Thank
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